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Question by Courtney S: how successful can alcohol rehab be if someone does not believe in a higher power?
how successful can alcohol rehab be if someone does not believe in a higher power (God or anything)? It’s one of the steps and my boyfriend is having trouble with that step but really wants to get better…. any suggestions???
the program he is in is telling him he has to believe in a higher power… please give me some feed back as to what I can do to help him get through this….

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Answer by Fu
you dont need the twelve steps to be clean.

my partner is a recovering alcoholic..and we are both atheist..she’s been clean for over 5 years now

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Question by givemsm2: Why does Scientology believe human problems as having being originated by the evil galactic overlord, Xen?
Operating Thetan (OT) documents of the Church of Scientology
“One: Walk around and counts bodies until you have a cognition. Make a report saying how many you counted and your cognition. Two: Note several large and small female bodies until you have a cognition. Note it down. Three: Note several large and several small male bodies until you have a cognition. Note it down. Four: Final a tight packed crowd of people. Write it as a crowd and then as individuals until you have a cognition. Note it down. Do step over until you do.”

Hubbard then goes on to explain OT2, but before he does so, he tells the Churches how to keep Scientology working. One way is to not divulge information on their “technology.” Doing so, says Hubbard, would result in “the complete destruction of all our work.”

“On the other hand there have been thousands and thousands of suggestions and writings which, if accepted and acted upon, would have resulted in the complete destruction of all our work. Our technology has not been discovered by a group. True, if the group had not supported me in many ways, I could not have discovered it either. But it remains that if in its formative stages it was not discovered by a group, then group efforts, one can safely assume, will not add to it or successfully alter it in the future,” states Hubbard in a confidential letter dated February 7, 1965.

Hubbard also goes on to say that “man has never before evolved workable mental technology and emphasizing it is the vicious technology he did evolve—psychiatry, psychology, surgery, shock treatment, whips, duress, punishment, etc., ad infinitum.” Hubbard also says that “war, famine, agony and disease has been the lot of Man” and that Man “has been what has made Earth a Hell—and if you were looking for Hell and found Earth, it would certainly serve.”

Hubbard calls those ‘men’ “SP Body Thetans” or those who “are out of valance” and who are “stuck to another thetan or body but is not in control” with Scientology. Some he says are even “psychotic, serve faces and have fixed ideas” which “inhibits recovery.” Thetan is derived from the Greek word “Theta” which means “thought or life.”

“An individual being such as a man is a thetan, he is not a body and he does not think because he has no brain,” states Hubbard.

It is not until ‘OT3′ when you learn the true beginning of Scientology. In Hubbard’s own hand written notes, he begins to describe a series of “76 planets [orbiting] around larger stars founded 95,000,000 years ago” which he says “are visible from here [Earth].”

From those planets, which were over populated by “about 250 million per planet,” came a “head of the Galactic Federation” named Xenu who solved the overpopulation by sending mass amounts of his people to Earth somewhere between “75,000,000 and 4 qadrillion [Sic] years ago.” Hubbard says that he brought them to Earth and dropped them off inside volcanoes on an island he describes as Hawaii in the Pacific Ocean. Xenu then captured the ones who escaped after 36 days and exploded the remaining individuals with a hydrogen bomb. Xenu was later “captured after six years of battle” and Earth had since become a “desert.”

It is also said at this level, an implant, in what Hubbard calls an “engram” will be given in which the individual can “see pictures.” However these pictures are not to be “stuck” or permanent.

At ‘OT4′ individuals are allegedly rid of illegal and legal drugs. Documents state that addicts are not treated with drugs, but simply not given anything.

“As drugs and drug incidents have been so common on the whole track, to simply generally ask for drugs or drug incidents when dealing with BTs and clusters, could cause a total restim,” states the document which then says that individuals are made to wait out the effects of the drugs. Another process used to try and stop drug use is to “take any previously given Drug somatic items, or newly list any additional items connected with reading drugs, medicines, etc., and assess for reading somatic item.” Hubbard insists that these methods are proven effective.

‘OT5′ is when individuals learn about the “physical universe, not the laws of physical scientists, but the basic considerations about Matter, Energy, Space and Time,” states Hubbard.

At ‘OT6′ you allegedly learn telepathy and ‘OT7′is the “rehabilitation of ability to project intention.”

The final level, ‘OT8′, you are to “have full certainty and, therefore, perception on all” of your issues. According to Hubbard, the ‘OT8′ manuals are supposed to stay aboard the Free Winds Scientology ship which has heavy security because nothing is supposed to leave the ship. Despite that, Hubbard himself claims to have smuggled out his own ‘OT8′ instructions for the “elite” Scientologists.

“I am breaking security as I disagree that this should only be released to an elite in Scientology. I do, however, ask it not be released to psyches or ‘squirrels’ or anyone who will break the Independent Security Network and allow it to get back to the Church of Scientology. It would be best if they do not find out that we have it. Please treat this data responsibly. It is the key to the only truth possible,” said Hubbard in regards to his ‘OT8′ instructions

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Why not?

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Question by givemsm2: Why does Scientology believe human problems as having been originated by the evil galactic overlord, Xenu?
Operating Thetan (OT) documents of the Church of Scientology

“One: Walk around and counts bodies until you have a cognition. Make a report saying how many you counted and your cognition. Two: Note several large and small female bodies until you have a cognition. Note it down. Three: Note several large and several small male bodies until you have a cognition. Note it down. Four: Final a tight packed crowd of people. Write it as a crowd and then as individuals until you have a cognition. Note it down. Do step over until you do.”

Hubbard then goes on to explain OT2, but before he does so, he tells the Churches how to keep Scientology working. One way is to not divulge information on their “technology.” Doing so, says Hubbard, would result in “the complete destruction of all our work.”

“On the other hand there have been thousands and thousands of suggestions and writings which, if accepted and acted upon, would have resulted in the complete destruction of all our work. Our technology has not been discovered by a group. True, if the group had not supported me in many ways, I could not have discovered it either. But it remains that if in its formative stages it was not discovered by a group, then group efforts, one can safely assume, will not add to it or successfully alter it in the future,” states Hubbard in a confidential letter dated February 7, 1965.

Hubbard also goes on to say that “man has never before evolved workable mental technology and emphasizing it is the vicious technology he did evolve—psychiatry, psychology, surgery, shock treatment, whips, duress, punishment, etc., ad infinitum.” Hubbard also says that “war, famine, agony and disease has been the lot of Man” and that Man “has been what has made Earth a Hell—and if you were looking for Hell and found Earth, it would certainly serve.”

Hubbard calls those ‘men’ “SP Body Thetans” or those who “are out of valance” and who are “stuck to another thetan or body but is not in control” with Scientology. Some he says are even “psychotic, serve faces and have fixed ideas” which “inhibits recovery.” Thetan is derived from the Greek word “Theta” which means “thought or life.”

“An individual being such as a man is a thetan, he is not a body and he does not think because he has no brain,” states Hubbard.

It is not until ‘OT3′ when you learn the true beginning of Scientology. In Hubbard’s own hand written notes, he begins to describe a series of “76 planets [orbiting] around larger stars founded 95,000,000 years ago” which he says “are visible from here [Earth].”

From those planets, which were over populated by “about 250 million per planet,” came a “head of the Galactic Federation” named Xenu who solved the overpopulation by sending mass amounts of his people to Earth somewhere between “75,000,000 and 4 qadrillion [Sic] years ago.” Hubbard says that he brought them to Earth and dropped them off inside volcanoes on an island he describes as Hawaii in the Pacific Ocean. Xenu then captured the ones who escaped after 36 days and exploded the remaining individuals with a hydrogen bomb. Xenu was later “captured after six years of battle” and Earth had since become a “desert.”

It is also said at this level, an implant, in what Hubbard calls an “engram” will be given in which the individual can “see pictures.” However these pictures are not to be “stuck” or permanent.

At ‘OT4′ individuals are allegedly rid of illegal and legal drugs. Documents state that addicts are not treated with drugs, but simply not given anything.

“As drugs and drug incidents have been so common on the whole track, to simply generally ask for drugs or drug incidents when dealing with BTs and clusters, could cause a total restim,” states the document which then says that individuals are made to wait out the effects of the drugs. Another process used to try and stop drug use is to “take any previously given Drug somatic items, or newly list any additional items connected with reading drugs, medicines, etc., and assess for reading somatic item.” Hubbard insists that these methods are proven effective.

‘OT5′ is when individuals learn about the “physical universe, not the laws of physical scientists, but the basic considerations about Matter, Energy, Space and Time,” states Hubbard.

At ‘OT6′ you allegedly learn telepathy and ‘OT7′is the “rehabilitation of ability to project intention.”

The final level, ‘OT8′, you are to “have full certainty and, therefore, perception on all” of your issues. According to Hubbard, the ‘OT8′ manuals are supposed to stay aboard the Free Winds Scientology ship which has heavy security because nothing is supposed to leave the ship. Despite that, Hubbard himself claims to have smuggled out his own ‘OT8′ instructions for the “elite” Scientologists.

“I am breaking security as I disagree that this should only be released to an elite in Scientology. I do, however, ask it not be released to psyches or ‘squirrels’ or anyone who will break the Independent Security Network and allow it to get back to the Church of Scientology. It would be best if they do not find out that we have it. Please treat this data responsibly. It is the key to the only truth possible,” said Hubbard in regards to his ‘OT8′ instructions

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Answer by CJA
Wooooh there partner. Too much input. Thank God for word processors, huh?

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Everyone always says AA meetings etc. They mean nothing to me because I don’t believe in God. I was in rehab for 3 months and that is all they preach out of too, is the “big book” AA. It totally turns me off, I drank every weekend on my passes away. I just wonder does anyone know of any way to quit an addiction without hawing to refer to God or a Higher Power or anything? There has to be a way. Help
This is not a religious question, so please if all you have to say is about God or something please refrain. I have nothing against other peoples beliefs, to each their own, I just dont personally believe, and never will so please don’t try to convert me, or call me the devil, or say I’m going to hell. I am very comfortable with my beliefs, and am quite content with them. I am not ignorant on religion either, I have read the bible”s” more than once. I did my research and have chosen not to believe. Thank you.

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Everyone always says AA meetings etc. They mean nothing to me because I don’t believe in God. I was in rehab for 3 months and that is all they preach out of too, is the “big book” AA. It totally turns me off, I drank every weekend on my passes away. I just wonder does anyone know of any way to quit an addiction without hawing to refer to God or a Higher Power or anything? There has to be a way. Help
This is not a religious question, so please if all you have to say is about God or something please refrain. I have nothing against other peoples beliefs, to each their own, I just dont personally believe, and never will so please don’t try to convert me, or call me the devil, or say I’m going to hell. I am very comfortable with my beliefs, and am quite content with them. I am not ignorant on religion either, I have read the bible”s” more than once. I did my research and have chosen not to believe. Thank you.

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I have gone through the 12 steps, but have not attended any AA Meetings in quite a few months. I have found that through God and only God that I have been able to stay sober without very much help from others. I think that it is my williningness to try my best as I understand God’s will and my desire to get close to Him that has cured me of the desire to drink and use drugs. (I have 15 months of sobriety in two days).

Has anyone had any similiar experiences? What do you think?
(Atheists: I don’t need to hear what I know you’re going to say)
little tricky – email me! I don’t think that you’re an atheist at all. I have the same beliefs.

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I’m 17 and my EX girlfriend Brooke told me today she is pregnant with my child. We had very troubled relationship we dated for almost 2 years. When i first met her we where totally in love. We were almost inseparable. Things started to turn sour when she started using marijuana. At first i didn’t have a problem with it i had tried marijuana before and figured she would just experiment like i had. Eventually she started doing cocaine and i started really getting concerned. She told me that it was just a recreational thing and she could quit anytime she wanted. When she began using heroin i freaked out. heroin scares the shit out of me it has lead to the downfall of some many of my heroes like Layne Staley and didn’t want that to happen to her. She told me she used drugs because it makes her extremely horny and better in bed. She took my virginity and vice versa. I let it continue because although she was high the sex was amazing and because i wasn’t thinking clearly. She then got caught and went to jail for a year on drug possession charges. She got out in October and i finally told her about my secret i had a one night stand when she was behind bars that resulted in my son Joesph. She flipped out and broke her promise to me to stay clean. Then she called my son a bastard child and a worthless piece of shit. We broke up after she forced me to choose between her or Joesph i chose my son. She went to rehab where i met her at a meeting and we talked about getting back together she still loves me. Today she told me she was pregnant and i am the father. We had sex after she got out of jail a few times but i recall using a condom every time however she insists one time i didn’t should i believe her?
it’s hard enough to raise my one son i couldn’t imagine raising another child. If it is my child i will raise and care for it just like i do for my son.

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My boyfriend has a serious drinking problem, but manages to hide it from everyone and he is very functional. Works for the railroad x 35 yrs, owns his own home, friendly to everyone. No outward signs. His family all acted so surprised when he nearly died from drinking about 3 yrs ago. The doctor asked if he drank and no one knew he did or would admit how serious it was. When I asked him if his dad drank when he was growing up, he denied it 3 yrs ago.
He told me about a month ago,in a moment of drunkeness, his grandpartents had to drive searching for his dad from bar to bar because he had no drivers license and his mom could not find him. She had a bunch of kids at home and he was the 2nd oldest.
Now, I think he has passed it down, and his son has lost his drivers license and gets so drunk he becomes mentally unstable and starts talking crazy. He is 28 and still lives at home and cannot get out on his own because he drinks so much.
Do you think its hereditary?

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